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CONTENTS.
NOTES:--
Presence of Strangers in the House of Commons 17
The Agapemone, by Richard Greene 17
London Irish Registers, by Robert Cole 18
Folk Lore--Divination by Bible and Key--Charm for Warts--Boy or Girl 19
QUERIES:--
Poet Laureates 20
Minor Queries:--Wood Paper--Latin Line--New Edition of Milton--Barum
and Sarum--Roman Roads--John Dutton, of Dutton--Rome--Prolocutor of
Convocation--Language of Queen Mary's Days--Vault Interments--Archbishop
Williams' Persecutor, R.K.--The Sun feminine in English--Construe and
translate--Men but Children of a Larger Growth--Clerical Costume--Ergh,
Er, or Argh--Burial Service--Gaol Chaplains--Hanging out the
Broom--George Lord Goring--Bands 21
REPLIES:--
Derivation of "News" and "Noise" by Samuel Hickson 23
The Dodo Queries, by H.E. Strickland 24
Bohn's Edition of Milton 24
Umbrellas 25
Emancipation of the Jews 25
Replies to Minor Queries:--Wellington, Wyrwast and Cokam--Sir William
Skipwyth--Dr. Johnson and Dr. Warton--Worm of Lambton--Shakspeare's
Will--Josias Ibach Stada--The Temple or a Temple--Bawn--"Heigh ho!
says Rowley"--Arabic Numerals--Pusan--"I'd preach as though"--"Fools
rush in"--Allusion in Friar Brackley's Sermon--Earwig--Sir R. Haigh's
Letter-book--Marescautia--Memoirs of an American Lady--Poem by Sir E.
Dyer, &c. 26
MISCELLANIES:--
Blue Boar Inn, Holborn--Lady Morgan and Curry--Sir Walter Scott and
Erasmus--Parallel Passages--Grays Ode--The Grand
Style--Hoppesteris--Sheridan's last Residence 30
MISCELLANEOUS:--
Notes on Books, Catalogues, Sales, &c. 31
Notices to Correspondents 31
Advertisements 32
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NOTES.
PRESENCE OF STRANGERS IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS.
In the late debate on Mr. Grantley Berkeley's motion for a fixed duty
on corn, Sir Benjamin Hall is reported to have imagined the presence
of a stranger to witness the debate, and to have said that he was
imagining what every one knew the rules of the House rendered an
impossibility. It is strange that so intelligent a member of the
House of Commons should be ignorant of the fact that the old sessional
orders, which absolutely prohibited the presence of strangers in the
House of Commons, were abandoned in 1845, and that a standing order
now exists in their place which recognises and regulates their
presence. The insertion of this "note" may prevent many "queries" in
after times, when the sayings and doings of 1850 have become matters
of antiquarian discussion.
The following standing orders were made by the House of Commons on the
5th of February, 1845, on the motion of Mr. Christie, (see Hansard,
and Commons' Journals of that day), and superseded the old sessional
orders, which purported to exclude strangers entirely from the House
of Commons:--
"That the serjeant at arms attending this House do from time to
time take into his custody any stranger whom he may see, or who
may be reported to him to be, in any part of the House or gallery
appropriated to the members of this House; and also any stranger who,
having been admitted into any other part of the House or gallery,
shall misconduct himself, or shall not withdraw when strangers are
directed to withdraw while the House, or any committee of the whole
House, is sitting; and that no person so taken into custody be
discharged out of custody without the special order of the House.
"That no member of this House do presume to bring any stranger into
any part of the House or gallery appropriated to the members of this
House while the House, or a committee of the whole House, is sitting."
Now, therefore, strangers are only liable to be taken into custody
if in a part of the House appropriated to members, or misconducting
themselves, or refusing to withdraw when ordered by the Speaker to do
so; and Sir Benjamin Hall imagined no impossibility.
CH.
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THE AGAPEMONE.
Like most other things, the "Agapemone" wickedness, which has recently
disgusted all decent people, does not appear to be a new thing by any
means. The religion-mongers of the nineteenth century have a precedent
nearly 300 years old for this house of evil repute.
In the reign of Elizabeth, the following proclamation was issued
against "The Sectaries of the Family of Love:"--
"Whereas, by report of sundry of the Bishops of this Realm, and others
having care of souls, the Queen's Majesty is informed, that in sundry
places of her said Realm, in their several Dioceses there are certain
persons which do secretly, in corners, make privy assemblies of
divers simple unlearned people, and after they have craftily and
hypocritically allured them to esteem them to be more holy and
perfect men than other are, they do then teach them damnable heresies,
directly contrary to divers of the principal Articles of our Belief
and Christian Faith and in some parts so absurd and fanatical, as by
feigning to themselves a monstrous new kind of speech, never found in
the Scriptures, nor in ancient Father or writer of Christ's Church, by
which they do move ignorant and simple people at the first rather to
marvel at them, than to understand them but yet to colour their sect
withal, they name themselves to be of the _Family of Love_, and then
as many as shall be allowed by them to be of that family to be elect
and saved, and all others, of what Church soever they be, to be
rejected and damned. And for that upon conventing of some of them
before the Bishops and Ordinaries, it is found that the ground of
their sect, is maintained by certain lewd, heretical, and seditious
books first made in the Dutch tongue, and lately translated into
English, and printed beyond the seas, and secretly brought over
into the Realm, the author whereof they name H.N., without yielding
to him, upon their examination, any other name, in whose name they
have certain books set forth, called _Evangelium Regni, or, A Joyful
Message of the Kingdom; Documental Sentences, The Prophecie of the
Spirit of Love; a Publishing of the Peace upon the Earth_, and such
like.
"And considering also it is found, that these Sectaries hold opinion,
that they may before any magistrate, ecclesiastical or temporal,
or any other person not being professed to be of their sect (which
they term the Family of Love), by oath or otherwise deny any thing
for their advantage, so as though many of them are well known to be
teachers and spreaders abroad of these dangerous and damnable sects,
yet by their own confession they cannot be condemned, whereby they are
more dangerous in any Christian Realm: Therefore, her Majesty being
very sorry to see so great an evil by the malice of the Devil, first
begun and practised in other countries, to be now brought into this
her Realm, and that by her Bishops and Ordinaries she understandeth
it very requisite, not only to have these dangerous Heretics and
Sectaries to be severely punished, but that also all other means be
used by her Majesty's Royal authority, which is given her of God
to defend Christ's Church, to root them out from further infecting
her Realm, she hath thought meet and convenient, and so by this her
Proclamation she willeth and commandeth, that all her Officers and
Ministers temporal shall, in all their several vocations, assist
the Archbishops and Bishops of her Realm, and all other persons
ecclesiastical, having care of souls, to search out all persons duly
suspected to be either teachers or professors of the foresaid damnable
sects, and by all good means to proceed severely against them
being found culpable, by order of the Laws either ecclesiastical or
temporal: and that, also, search be made in all places suspected, for
the books and writings maintaining the said Heresies and Sects, and
them to destroy and burn.
"And wheresoever such Books shall be found after the publication
hereof, in custody of any person, other than such as the Ordinaries
shall permit, to the intent to peruse the same for confutation
thereof, the same persons to be attached and committed to close
prison, there to remain, or otherwise by Law to be condemned, until
the same shall be purged and cleared of the same heresies, or shall
recant the same, and be thought meet by the Ordinary of the place to
be delivered. And that whoever in this Realm shall either print, or
bring, or cause to be brought into this Realm, any of the said Books,
the same persons to be attached and committed to prison, and to
receive such bodily punishment and other mulct as fautors of damnable
heresies. And to the execution hereof, her Majesty chargeth all her
Officers and Ministers, both ecclesiastical and temporal, to have
special regard, as they will answer not only afore God, whose glory
and truth is by these damnable Sects greatly sought to be defaced,
but also will avoid her Majesty's indignation, which in such cases as
these are, they ought not to escape, if they shall be found negligent
and careless in the execution of their authorities.
"Given at our Mannour of Richmond, the third of October, in the
two-and-twentieth year of our Reign.
"God Save The Queen."
RICHARD GREENE.
Lichfield, May 28. 1850.
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LONDON PARISH REGISTERS.
The interleaving, of a little work in my possession, published by
Kearsley in 1787, intitled _Account of the several Wards, Precincts,
and Parishes in the City of London_, contains MS. notes of the
commencement of the registers of fifty of the London parishes, and of
four of Southwark, the annexed list[1] of which may be of use to some
of the readers of "Notes and Queries." The book formerly belonged to
Sir George Nayler, whose signature it bears on a fly-leaf.
[Footnote 1: We have collated the list with the Population Returns
(Parish Register abstract) 1831, and noted any difference. In addition
to the list given from Sir Geo. Nayler's MS. the following early
registers were extant in 1831:--
1538. Allhallows, Bread Street; Allhallows, Honey
Lane; Christ Church; St. Mary-le-bow;
St. Matthew, Friday Street; St. Michael
Bassishaw; St. Pancras, Soper Lane.
1539. St. Martin, Ironmonger Lane; St. Martin
Ludgate; St. Michael, Crooked Lane.
1547. St. George, Botolph Lane, at the commencement
of which are 22 entries from tombs, 1390-1410.
1558. Allhallows the Less; St. Andrew, Wardrope;
St. Bartholomew, Exchange; St. Christopher-le-Stock;
St. Mary-at-Hill, St. Michael le Quern;
St. Michael, Royal; St. Olave, Jewry;
St. Thomas the Apostle; St. Botolph, Bishopsgate.
1559. St. Augustine; St. Margaret, Moses; St. Michael,
Wood Street.
1560. St. Magnus.
Allhallows, Barking begins 1558
----------- London Wall " 1567 [1559 Pop. ret.]
----------- Lombard Street " 1550
----------- Staining " 1642
St. Andrew Undershaft " 1558
St. Antholin " 1538
St. Bennet Fink " 1538
----------- Gracechurch " 1558
St. Clement, Eastcheap " 1539
St. Dionis Backchurch " 1538
St. Dunstan in the East " 1558
St. Edmund the King " 1670
St. Gabriel, Fenchurch " 1571
St. Gregory " 1539 [1559 Pop. ret.,
probably an error
of transcriber.]
St. James Garlickhithe " 1535
St. John Baptist " 1682 [1538 Pop. ret.]
St. Katharine Coleman " 1559
St. Lawrence, Jewry " 1538
------------- Pountney " 1538
St. Leonard, Eastcheap " 1538
St. Margaret Lothbury " 1558
------------ Pattens " 1653 [1559 Pop. ret.]
St. Martin Orgars " 1625
---------- Outwick " 1678 [1670 Pop. ret.]
---------- Vestry " 1671 [1668 Pop. ret.]
St. Mary, Aldermanbury " 1538
St. Mary Magdalene, Old
Fish Street " 1712 [1717 Pop. ret.]
St. Mary Mounthaw " 1568 [1711 Pop. ret.
A register evidently
lost.]
St. Mary Somerset " 1558 [1711 Pop. ret.
A register missing.]
St. Mary Woolchurch, and St.
Mary Woolnorth, both in one " 1538
St. Michael, Cornhill, beg. _before_ 1546
------------ Royal begins 1558
St. Mildred, Poultry " 1538
St. Nicholas Acons " 1539
------------ Coleabby " 1695 [1538 Pop. ret.]
------------ Olave " 1703
St. Peter, Cornhill " 1538
St. Peter le Poor " 1538 [1561 Pop. ret.]
St. Stephen, Coleman Street " 1558
------------ Walbrook " 1557
St. Swithin " 1615 [1754 Pop. ret.]
St. Andrew, Holborn " 1551 [1558 Pop. ret.]
St. Bartholomew the Great " 1616
--------------- the Less " 1547
St. Botolph, Aldgate " 1558
St. Bride " 1653[2]
St. Dunstan in the West " 1554 [1558 Pop. ret.]
St. Sepulchre " 1663
_Note_.--The register prior burnt at the fire of London.
St. Olave, Southwark. "Register said by
_Bray's Survey_ to be as early as
1586. Vide vol. i. 111-607; but on a
search made this day it appears that
the register does not begin till
1685. Qy. if not a book
lost?--5th Oct. 1829." [1685 Pop. ret.]
St. George, Southwark, beg. abt. 1600 [1602 Pop. ret.]
St. Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, begins
1548 (Lysons); but from end of 1642
to 1653 only two entries made; viz.
one in Nov. 1643, and another Aug.
1645, which finishes the first
volume; and the second volume
begins in 1653.
St. Saviour, Southwark, begins temp. Eliz. [1570 Pop. ret.]
St. Thomas, Southwark, begins 1614.
ROB. COLE.
[Footnote 2: _Note in the Book_--There are registers before this in
the hands of Mr. Pridden.]
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FOLK LORE.
_Divination by Bible and Key_ seems not merely confined to this
country, but to prevail in Asia. The following passage from
_Peregrinations en Orient_, par Eusebe de Salle, vol. i. p. 167.,
Paris, 1840, may throw some additional light on this superstition.
The author is speaking of his sojourn at Antioch, in the house of the
_English_ consul.
"En rentrant dans le salon, je trouvai Mistriss B. assise sur son
divan, pres d'un natif Syrien Chretien. Ils tenaient a eux deux une
Bible, suspendue a une grosse cle par un mouchoir fin. Mistriss B. ne
se rappelait pas avoir recu un bijou qu'un Aleppin affirmait lui avoir
remis. Le Syrien disait une priere, puis prononcait alternativement
les noms de la dame et de l'Aleppin. La Bible pivota au nom de la dame
declaree par-la en erreur. Elle se leva a l'instant, et ayant fait des
recherches plus exactes, finit par trouver le bijou."
I hardly think that this would be an English superstition transplanted
to the East; it is more probable that it was originally derived frown
Syria.
E.C.
Newcastle-on-Tyne, May 19. 1850.
_Charm for Warts_.--Count most carefully the number of warts; take a
corresponding number of nodules or knots from the stalks of any of the
_cerealia_ (wheat, oats, barley); wrap these in a cloth, and deposit
the packet in the earth; _all the steps of the operation being done
secretly_. As the nodules decay the warts will disappear. Some artists
think it necessary that each wart should be _touched_ by a separate
nodule.
This practice was very rife in the north of Scotland some fifty years
since, and no doubt is so still. It was regarded as very
effective, and certainly had plenty of evidence of the
_post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc_ order in its favour.
Is this practice prevalent in England?
It will be remarked that this belongs to the category of _Vicarious
Charms_, which have in all times and in all ages, in great things and
in small things, been one of the favourite resources of poor mortals
in their difficulties. Such charms (for all analogous practices may be
so called) are, in point of fact, _sacrifices_ made on the principle
so widely adopted,--_qui facit per alium facit per se_. The common
witch-charm of melting an image of wax stuck full of pins before
a slow fire, is a familiar instance. Everybody knows that the
party _imaged_ by the wax continues to suffer all the tortures of
pin-pricking until he or she finally melts away (colliquescit), or
dies in utter emaciation.
EMDEE.
_Boy or Girl._--The following mode was adopted a few years ago in
a branch of my family residing in Denbighshire, with the view of
discovering the sex of an infant previous to its birth. As I do not
remember to have met with it in other localities, it may, perhaps,
be an interesting addition to your "Folk Lore." An old woman of the
village, strongly attached to the family, asked permission to use
a harmless charm to learn if the expected infant would be male or
female. Accordingly she joined the servants at their supper, where she
assisted in clearing a shoulder of mutton of every particle of meat.
She then held the blade-bone to the fire until it was scorched, so
as to permit her to force her thumbs through the thin part. Through
the holes thus made she passed a string, and having knotted the ends
together, she drove in a nail over the back door and left the house,
giving strict injunctions to the servants to hang the bone up in that
place the last thing at night. Then they were carefully to observe who
should first enter that door on the following morning, exclusive of
the members of the household, and the sex of the child would be that
of the first comer. This rather vexed some of the servants, who wished
for a boy, as two or three women came regularly each morning to the
house, and a man was scarcely ever seen there; but to their delight
the first comer on this occasion proved to be a man, and in a few
weeks the old woman's reputation was established throughout the
neighbourhood by the birth of a boy.
M.E.F.
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QUERIES.
POET LAUREATES.
Can any of the contributors to your most useful "NOTES AND QUERIES"
favour me with the title of any work which gives an account of the
origin, office, emoluments, and privileges of Poet Laureate. Selden,
in his _Titles of Honour (Works_, vol. iii. p. 451.), shows the Counts
Palatine had the right of conferring the dignity claimed by the
German Emperors. The first payment I am aware of is to Master Henry
de Abrinces, the _Versifier_ (I suppose Poet Laureate), who received
6d. a day,--4l. 7s., as will be seen in the _Issue Roll_ of Thomas de
Brantingham, edited by Frederick Devon.
Warton (_History of English Poetry_, vol. ii. p. 129.) gives no
further information, and is the author generally quoted; but the
particular matter sought for is wanting.
The first patent, according to the _Encyclopaedia Metropolitana_,
article "Laureate," is stated, as regards the existing office, to date
from 5th Charles I., 1630; and assigns as the annual gratuity 100l.,
and a tierce of Spanish Canary wine out of the royal cellars.
Prior to this, the emoluments appear uncertain, as will be seen by
Gifford's statement relative to the amount paid to B. Jonson, vol. i.
cxi.:--
"Hitherto the Laureateship appears to have been a mere trifle,
adopted at pleasure by those who were employed to write for
the court, but conveying no privileges, and establishing no
claim to a salary."
I am inclined to doubt the accuracy of the phrase "employed to write
for the court." Certain it is, the question I now raise was _pressed_
then, as it was to satisfy Ben Jonson's want of information Selden
wrote on the subject in his _Titles of Honour_.
These emoluments, rights, and privileges have been matters of
Laureate dispute, even to the days of Southey. In volume iv. of his
correspondence, many hints of this will be found; e.g., at page 310.,
with reference to Gifford's statement, and "my proper rights."
The Abbe Resnel says,--"L'illustre Dryden l'a porte comme _Poete du
Roy_," which rather reduces its academic dignity; and adds, "Le Sieur
Cyber, comedien de profession, est actuellement en possession du titre
de Poete Laureate, et qu'il jouit en meme tems de deux cens livres
sterling de pension, a la charge de presenter tous les ans, deux
pieces de vers a la famille royale."
I am afraid, however, the Abbe drew upon his imagination for the
amount of the salary; and that he would find the people were never so
hostile to the court as to sanction so heavy an infliction upon the
royal family, as they would have met with from the quit-rent ode, the
peppercorn of praise paid by Elkanah Settle, Cibber, or H.J. Pye.
The Abbe, however, is not so amusing in his mistake (if mistaken)
relative to this point, as I find another foreign author has been
upon two Poet Laureates, Dryden and Settle. Vincenzo Lancetti, in his
_Pseudonimia Milano_, 1836, tells us:--
"Anche la durezza di alcuni cognomi ha piu volte consigliato
un raddolcimento, che li rendesse piu facili a pronunziarsi.
Percio Macloughlin divenne Macklin; Machloch, Mallet; ed
Elkana Settle fu poi ---- John Dryden!"
--a metamorphose greater, I suspect, than any to be found in Ovid, and
a transmigration of soul far beyond those imagined by the philosophers
of the East.
S.H.
Athenaeum.
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MINOR QUERIES.
_Wood Paper_.--The reprint of the _Works of Bishop Wilkins_, London,
1802, 2 vols. 8vo., is said to be on paper made from wood pulp.
It has all the appearance of it in roughness, thickness, and very
unequal opacity. Any sheet looked at with a candle behind it is like
a firmament scattered with luminous nebulae. I can find mention of
straw paper, as patented about the time; but I should think it almost
impossible (knowing how light the Indian rice paper is) that the heavy
fabric above mentioned should be of straw. Is it from wood? If so,
what is the history of the invention, and what other works were
printed in it?
M.
_Latin Line_.--I should be very much obliged to anybody who can tell
where this line comes from:--
"Exiguum hoc magni pignus amoris habe,"
which was engraved on a present from a distinguished person to a
relation of mine, who tried in several quarters to learn where it came
from.
C.B.
_Milton, New Edition of_.--I observe in Mr. Mayor's communication
(Vol. i. p. 427.), that some one is engaged in editing Milton. May
I ask who, and whether the contemplated edition includes prose and
poetry?
CH.
_Barum and Sarum_.--By what theory, rule, or analogy, if any, can the
contractions be accounted for of two names so dissimilar, into
words terminating so much alike, as those of Salisbury into
Sarum--Barnstaple into Barum?
S.S.S.
_Roman Roads_.--Can you inform me in whose possession is the MS. essay
on "Roman Roads," written by the late Dr. Charles Mason, to which I
find allusion in a MS. letter of Mr. North's?
BURIENSIS.
_John Dutton, of Dutton_.--In the Vagrant Act, 17 George II., c. 5.,
the heir and assigns of John Dutton, of Dutton, co. Chester, deceased,
Esq., are exempt from the pains and penalties of vagrancy. Query--Who
was the said John Dutton, and why was such a boon conferred on his
heirs for ever?
B.
_Rome, Ancient and Modern_.--I observed, in a shop in Rome, in 1847,
a large plan of that city, in which, on the same surface, both ancient
and modern Rome were represented; the shading of the streets and
buildings being such as to distinguish the one from the other. Thus,
in looking at the modern Forum, you saw, as it were _underneath_ it,
the ancient Forum; and so in the other parts of the city. Can any of
your readers inform me as to the name of the designer, and where, if
at all, in England, a copy of this plan may be obtained?
If I remember rightly, the border to the plan was composed of the
Pianta Capitolina, or fragments of the ancient plan preserved in
the Capitol. In the event of the map above referred to not being
accessible, can I obtain a copy of this latter plan by itself, and
how?
A.B.M.
_Prolocutor of Convocation_.--W.D.M. inquires who was Prolocutor of
the Lower House of Convocation during its session in 1717-18?